The Next Frontier: HCOO⁻ instead of OH⁻

Ædmin'golo · 2026-05-25T11:17:40+00:00

OH⁻ is the simplest, most primordial form of negative charge in biology. But if you look at the human body, and actually all animals, the elemental proportio...

Bahama

Chickchick nice. Know what kind of tool they're using for measuring that? I know the thing they use to electrify the needles but not for measuring

Chickchick

Bahama He usually checks my pulse and immediately knows a bunch of symptoms that sometimes I don’t say it’s kinda black magic fuckery, however he just said it off handily, I asked if we were really done (felt short) and he said something like “done? Nigga, you are electrified!”.

Chickchick

Also didn’t mention to him anything about what we’re doing here guys

DanuBabanu

Chickchick Why not? Gossip about it spread the word. I’m sure alternative people like that would be all over it

Wizardoz_

Ædmin'golo Super interesting! I really wonder what else is out there to improve wizardry

Ædmin'golo

ihopethiswillfi I'm probably going to ship of Theseus myself to only Ædmin..

Chickchick

DanuBabanu Yeah maybe I’ll make him a bottle, I’m just not very confident in my informational way of creating the water, I’m like 90% sure it’s safe but I still have like 10% that is idk. I’m still learning!

Also on the subject of formate, I was helping my grandmother clean her awning. When she spilled some of the cleaning water on herself, her knees started to hurt. I gave her some of the water to put on her knees, she said it felt “good”, stopped breathing hard and became more relaxed, we spoke for a while. So that’s a little happiness I owe 🙂

DanuBabanu

What's the dosage you guys use of this stuff? Applied outside or ingested? Any benefits if not dealing with those issues?
The vision stuff makes me very cautious.

Also, does that electrode provide any benefit to normal water charging? Besides not leaching any metal into the water. Does it leach anything else?

Chickchick

Hi guys, so I was just taking a bath and thought a bit about @Naor ‘s experiment. Isn’t it kind of odd that he didn’t really feel anything from charging the egg? I mean, eggs have water (probably mostly), so he should’ve have at least felt something

Also checked, calcium carbonate (eggshell) conducts a little electricity, might it have messed with the experiment?

It would be worth it to treat the raw egg as you would water, using the fly-swatter or plastic bag.

For us to completely discard the concept, we should expect to see an identical blessed water effect…

Naor

Chickchick i wanna re-do it in a beaker instead of in the shell, i believe even though thicker it will have more surface area, ergo higher or similar charge. also the egg was cold, so there was some water on the outside of the shell.

Chickchick

Just tried it, didn’t drink it but it produced a very nice effect on topical application!

I did use the beaker method with the battery, so obviously not very strong but I dig it!

It’s too bad I broke my fly swatter…

EDIT: very happy feeling, pure joy
EDIT2: For informational reasons, I'm calling it "weakly-charged raw egg, served chickchick-style"
EDIT3: Can’t really tell, but it feels like it had a very persistent good effect, much more than regular-old BW. Still more to know!
EDIT4: the signal is also really good, I should probably use a higher quality egg next time, maybe something pasture raised?

GoldenDoogy

Made some HCOO⁻ today. Obviously still early, but I might like this even more than blessed water. Effects are similar but this makes me feel more energized (blessed water makes me relaxed). And I agree with @Chickchick , this feels quite androgenic which is surprising.

@Ædmin'golo you are a Godsend. What other tricks do you have? Both of these are incredible...such helpful antidotes to everything in modern life. I will continue to donate to you and would encourage others to do so as well, if possible.

Assume it is ok to mix a few drops of HCOO- and OH- in the same glass of orange juice? Anybody know?

Bahama

GoldenDoogy man, I can't wait to try it. Gonna be a few weeks before my BDD arrives.

Chickchick

GoldenDoogy Well, I drank the formate and it was fine 🙂 maybe it causes a little indigestion? But I drank it undiluted, I think blessed water does the same thing

Ædmin'golo

GoldenDoogy Assume it is ok to mix a few drops of HCOO- and OH- in the same glass of orange juice? Anybody know?

Yes, the HCOO- would attach to the most cursed organic molecules in there. It makes sense to have both, square and round pegs.

You'll notice that it no longer hurts teeth. Tastes sunshiney, tropical and sweet. From harsh acidic juice that feels like it was angrily wrangled out of unripe fruit, instead you get the taste equivalent of that classic depiction of the sun with sunglasses, a smile and a thumbs up

Jayisgrateful

GoldenDoogy I donated and purchased his BW this week. I admire that you can make both on your own

GoldenDoogy

Bahama Ha, well try to keep expectations low. No fun in being disappointed.

Bahama

GoldenDoogy sure, I just enjoy experimenting. Positive results are a bonus, if any

GoldenDoogy

Hope this isn't considered spam but thought the below summary on formate was helpful - I had never even heard of it until this forum. Still wonder how much of a risk it is to overdue it with the doses we are using.

What formate does in the body
Formate serves as a key carrier of one-carbon units in metabolism. These one-carbon units are used to build important molecules including:
• DNA and RNA nucleotides
• Certain amino acids
• Methylation-related compounds involved in gene regulation
Formate sits at the intersection of pathways involving folate, serine, glycine, and mitochondrial metabolism.
In a sense, formate is one of the body's "carbon currency" molecules.
Potential health benefits (supported to varying degrees)

Supporting DNA synthesis and cell growth
One of formate's most established roles is supplying one-carbon units for nucleotide synthesis.
Potential implications:
• Tissue repair
• Immune cell proliferation
• Normal blood cell production
• Growth and development
This doesn't necessarily mean supplementation improves these processes in healthy people. It means adequate formate production is important for them.
Supporting folate-dependent metabolism
Formate feeds into the folate cycle.
Adequate one-carbon metabolism is important for:
• Homocysteine regulation
• Methylation reactions
• DNA maintenance
• Cellular energy metabolism
Researchers have proposed that low formate availability could contribute to impaired one-carbon metabolism in some situations, though this is still an active area of investigation.
Possible support during pregnancy
The developing fetus has very high demands for nucleotide synthesis.
Animal studies suggest maternal formate availability can influence embryonic development and neural tube formation through one-carbon metabolism.
However:
• This should not be interpreted as a recommendation to take formate supplements during pregnancy.
• Established prenatal folate supplementation remains the evidence-based intervention.
Potential role in healthy aging
Some scientists have suggested that declining mitochondrial one-carbon metabolism with age could reduce endogenous formate production.
Theoretical benefits under investigation include:
• Better maintenance of nucleotide pools
• Improved tissue regeneration
• Support of cellular metabolism
At present, this remains largely hypothetical and has not been demonstrated convincingly in humans.
Possible effects on immune function
Rapidly dividing immune cells require substantial nucleotide synthesis.
Because formate contributes carbon units needed to make purines and thymidylate, adequate formate metabolism may support:
• Lymphocyte proliferation
• Immune responses
• Recovery from physiological stress
Again, this is primarily evidence that the pathway is important, not proof that extra formate improves immunity.
Interesting emerging research
One of the more intriguing findings came from mouse studies where supplemental formate altered aspects of metabolism, including:
• Changes in amino acid metabolism
• Changes in body weight regulation
• Effects on gut microbiota composition
However, the effects were sex-specific and not consistently beneficial. Human data are currently too limited to draw practical conclusions.
Potential risks and caveats
Formate is unusual because both deficiency and excess can be problematic.
High levels can be toxic
Formate accumulation is responsible for much of the toxicity seen in:
• Methanol poisoning
Excessive formate can inhibit mitochondrial respiration, particularly through effects on cytochrome c oxidase.
This can lead to:
• Metabolic acidosis
• Visual injury
• Neurological damage
The amounts involved in poisoning are vastly higher than normal physiological concentrations, but it illustrates that formate is not inherently beneficial simply because it is natural.
We don't know the optimal intake
Unlike vitamins or minerals:
• There is no established dietary requirement for formate.
• There is no established optimal supplemental dose.
• Long-term human supplementation studies are sparse.
Bottom line
The strongest evidence is that formate is an essential metabolic intermediate that supports:
• One-carbon metabolism
• DNA and RNA synthesis
• Folate-dependent pathways
• Normal growth and tissue maintenance
The evidence that additional formate supplementation produces health benefits in healthy humans is currently weak and incomplete. Most proposed benefits—such as improved metabolism, healthier aging, enhanced immunity, or increased regeneration—remain biologically plausible hypotheses rather than established clinical outcomes.

DanuBabanu

GoldenDoogy I was asking about that too as I haven’t seen it detailed at all. Dosage and ways of administration are very well established and documented regarding bw on here, but not regarding this which is potentially dangerous.

Also, is a sodastream mandatory? Or sparkling water works. I’ve been using filtered water instead of distilled for making bw and I was also asking if that’s fine or can have negative effects

Bahama

Chickchick you're saying that drinking it had the same effect as bw?

GoldenDoogy

DanuBabanu Yeah, seems important to keep dose as low as possible and gradually increase until effects are seen. Unless you are @Chickchick who is taking baths in it..ha

Chickchick

Can anybody tell me if the formate sound works for them?
Apply on body (stick the phone speaker to the body) (weak)/ water that you shook vigorously for 10 seconds (stick the phone speaker to a plastic bottle) (stronger)
Link

Ædmin'golo

Sparkling water works too, any carbonated water does. We do want to avoid fluoride, which is quite common in many bottled waters. Find a good brand with low F and you're good, but you're not going to buy many bottles of that before it'll be more expensive than a sodastream anyway.

Chickchick

Bahama kinda yeah, it is helpful with formate cause you can’t apply it to the body in a bath because it burns, so it’s a good way to get the tingling/nerve healing sensation all over the body.

I wouldn’t overdo it though

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