The Next Frontier: HCOO⁻ instead of OH⁻

Ædmin'golo · 2026-05-25T11:17:40+00:00

OH⁻ is the simplest, most primordial form of negative charge in biology. But if you look at the human body, and actually all animals, the elemental proportio...

juanfra

Did you think in HCO₃⁻?

The pancreas is heavily innervated by the vagus nerve, which directly controls the secretion of both insulin and bicarbonate. Bicarbonate is the body's ultimate physical transformer, it is a carbon-based negative charge carrier designed to buffer protons and maintain the local fluidic dielectric constant. In a healthy state with a strong planetary Magnetic-field, the vagus nerve drives the enzyme carbonic anhydrase. This enzyme takes metabolic waste CO2 and combines it with light cellular water (H2O) to synthesize HCO3-. Because bicarbonate carries a heavy negative charge, it acts as a magnet for positive ions. It binds the heavy, high-entropy deuterium (D+) "grease" and sweeps it out of the cellular matrix into the pancreatic ducts. This keeps the mitochondrial water table at a pristine (k = 160) baseline.

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GoldenDoogy

juanfra This is interesting. I agree with the benefits of primarily using glucose over fats as a fuel source (ie., Ray Peat and others)...but so many of us are sitting in front of a computer screen all day and wonder if it's still optimal in that case. I use other red/white light devices while working to hopefully offset some of the damage from blue light but hard to know what's really happening.

Edit: maybe none of this matters when you are negatively charged.

Ædmin'golo

GoldenDoogy maybe none of this matters when you are negatively charged.

Yeah all the Kruse stuff seems to happen by itself post charge application. So it's downstream. Sunlight is a way to separate charge and then on it goes.

Bahama

Ædmin'golo Any idea how long the negatively charged formate might last?

Ædmin'golo

Bahama Any idea how long the negatively charged formate might last?

At room temperature, and relatively little light, it gets to the butyrate stage in less than a week. It should take months before it makes complex fats. But that's good too. You can say that it ripens, matures, rather than deteriorated. Like I said - this is the Christian Holy Ointment.

GoldenDoogy

Ædmin'golo Ah...so that is why people can get tired after spending time in the sun.

GoldenDoogy

Ædmin'golo So it seems like it won't convert to anything harmful and still good to use it after a week (just will get different effects)? I am also keeping in some in the fridge...maybe that will last a little longer.

Ædmin'golo

GoldenDoogy Only formate has the visual nerve concern, so the more mature versions should be milder. If HCOO- is better than OH- then the more complex carbon molecules might be even better, I mean the body does the same processes.. We should probably have a full spectrum, should look into what ratios the body has circulating (at various ages and health states..)

Bahama

Ædmin'golo does it matter if the distilled water is ozonated?

Ædmin'golo

Bahama No idea, the thing to look up is whether cathodic electrolysis reactions are different with ozonated water using whatever electrode you got. These things are well known so there's an answer for you.

I have a vague memory that you might get H2O2 but idk

Babou

Ordered my BDD. Now to wait for the slow boat from china...

Hlogan

Babou you have a link for that BDD? So many sources online.

C. Potts

I wonder if this would help my brother-in-law. He has ALS and has been rapidly losing function in his arms.

DanuBabanu

C. Potts Are you Mr Inbetween?

Good luck. I think it will help

Ædmin'golo

C. Potts That seems like a slam-dunk case, yeah. Reasonable to expect strong effect so start dosage as low as you can. Maybe try topical application on some extremity first, a single finger perhaps.

C. Potts

DanuBabanu Thanks. No, not me

Ædmin'golo I ordered a BDD electrode. Trying to decide if I get a sodastream

DanuBabanu What would be good introductory dosage for general benefits? Charged only once? How much, applied best where? Or areas to avoid.
Are there known early signs too much is used?

These would be helpful to know, like how many charge cycles at 3000v. I'll have him test it on his hand. But not sure what to look for to know if we should discontinue or up the dose

DanuBabanu

What would be good introductory dosage for general benefits? Charged only once? How much, applied best where? Or areas to avoid.
Are there known early signs too much is used?

Ædmin'golo

I have no idea on the dosage, but the circulating formate in the body is incorporated in a few hours, tops.

The side effect for me was blurry vision. Which I think was very likely intense healing, since my eyesight has leveled up so much. I used to be myopic, now I can focus my eyes and look sharply at something 300 yards away.. it takes effort because I still need to train my eye muscles, but the nerves and optical stuff is on point now. Which is tremendous.

But still, that's what we should be careful with, not to end up like Odin when he lost an eye, drinking from Mimer's well to learn all the knowledge in the world..

So, begin with low dosage, if your eyesight isn't the slightest bit blurry within a few hours, it should be safe to proceed further.

When I got blurry eyes etc then I was actually breathing in HCOO- and I think it would take a looooot higher dosage to get effects on eyes if you put it further away in the body, like for instance directly on some damaged nerves.

Babou

So because of the caution for eyes are you only charging it something like 1x per 10ml, or lower or higher?

Ædmin'golo

Babou It's been too long since I used HCOO- to remember how I even charged it. I'm going to pick up the habit again soon.

DanuBabanu

Ædmin'golo You think it's better than bw for skin stuff?
I'll also be able to comment on that after my bdd comes. Gotta find something short to clip it onto my negative wire. So I can keep using my wand fully one handed. Putting it in, pulling it out, all that.

GoldenDoogy

DanuBabanu I don't think anybody knows which is better. Both seem to be good.

Edit: Both seem to be ridiculously amazing.

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