The Next Frontier: HCOO⁻ instead of OH⁻

Ædmin'golo · 2026-05-25T11:17:40+00:00

OH⁻ is the simplest, most primordial form of negative charge in biology. But if you look at the human body, and actually all animals, the elemental proportio...

GoldenDoogy

DanuBabanu I don't think anybody knows which is better. Both seem to be good.

Edit: Both seem to be ridiculously amazing.

Bahama

Tried my first batch of formate. As per usual, I may have done a little more than I should in order to really be on the safe side, but so far so good - about 7 rounds of charging. Of course with sodastreamed distilled water and a BDD, which arrived much sooner than scheduled.

I did one drop under my tongue, 2-3 on the back of my neck and one on each foot.

Definitely feel a pleasant, gentle rush of something like pressure or heat, especially in the face and neck. There's this "solid", steady feeling to it. Kind of how I imagine carbon feels, in a way. But thats just me trying to describe it in an abstract way. No tingling or flushing for now.

alex1

Bahama what does regular blessed water make you feel like in comparison?

Hlogan

Babou you have a link for that BDD? So many sources online.

Ædmin'golo

Hlogan Boromond is a good factory with min order quantity 1

You can find elsewhere, but likely won't be cheaper

Bahama

alex1 bit more subtle. Maybe more of an energy thing or the world feeling a little brighter as opposed to formate being more grounding.

Bahama

Ædmin'golo reading up about formate. Seems like its not exactly hard to get and formate is always negatively charged. Not finding anything about why our process would make anything special or particular. Would love a deeper explanation on this if I'm missing something!

Z

Ok, so everything I have read leads me to think that all I need is a soda stream and a BDD electrode (used for the negative wire of my swatter obviously), I use the Sodastream/distilled water combo as I would normally in 500ml beaker and do everything the same as per the usual zapper setup?

Could it be that simple?

Ædmin'golo

Z Ok, so everything I have read leads me to think that all I need is a soda stream and a BDD electrode (used for the negative wire of my swatter obviously), I use the Sodastream/distilled water combo as I would normally in 500ml beaker and do everything the same as per the usual zapper setup?

Could it be that simple?

Yes.

Bahama reading up about formate. Seems like its not exactly hard to get and formate is always negatively charged. Not finding anything about why our process would make anything special or particular. Would love a deeper explanation on this if I'm missing something!

It's easy to find HCOO- and H+ in perfect balance. Nothing particularly interesting about that. When you have more HCOO- than H+ so you get a net charge, then the HCOO- can do things it otherwise cannot.

If you have some regular neutral formate and add OH- in there, then it would react with the H+ to make plain water with excess HCOO- so that would work, I'm not sure whether it is simpler, lower entry cost perhaps.

Really fond of the sodastream + BDD setup, very pure, looking forward to start production of HCOO- soon.

Z

Ædmin'golo
Can I use Sparkling water?

Does the cursed version have to be made as HCOO- or can it be made with tap water.

Also will my cheap alligator clips be effective and safe to use in this scenario, or should I really wait until I get the BDD electrode.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou

Xilianxz

Ædmin'golo Do I need a boron doped diamond electrode to charge eggs, milk, etc. or would a copper wire be sufficient for maximum effect?

Ædmin'golo

Xilianxz Do I need a boron doped diamond electrode to charge eggs, milk, etc. or would a copper wire be sufficient for maximum effect?

You'd need a boron doped diamond for maximum effect. All life is carbon-based, and it's probably not a coincidence that this carbon electrode gives us more biologically compatible charge, we can mimic biological processes and perform the work with an electrical circuit basically.

I think there are probably too many types of molecules in whole foods to know for sure what's going on in there. BDD allows a ton of reactions to occur before it resorts to making OH- and the sodastream w/ distilled water gives us only H2O and CO2 and HCO3- and H+ to work with, and we know HCOO- is efficiently produced then.

Charged milk bath sounds really really good. Since you have raw milk, would be cool to try and ferment it (w/ limited air exchange so you don't lose the charge too quickly)

Z Can I use Sparkling water?

Sure, make sure to avoid any high fluoride waters. There will be some stray reactions with the minerals but I think HCOO- would still dominate.

Does the cursed version have to be made as HCOO- or can it be made with tap water.

The positive charge can be disposed into tap water yeah.

Also will my cheap alligator clips be effective and safe to use in this scenario, or should I really wait until I get the BDD electrode.

Stainless steel in carbonated water will make near zero HCOO- because you need to use a carbon-based electrode. You would make HCOO- with stuff like pencil graphite, glassy carbon etc too but you would also make all sorts of other stuff.. carbon monoxide for instance, which could be bad. And I don't think pencil graphite is particularly pure. It dissolves into the water, and I have not personally used it.

Boron doped diamond is literally the best electrode you can find, for any purpose or situation. We should be so grateful that it was fairly recently invented, I think it's fair to call it the biological equivalent of inventing the steam engine.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou

Thank you, too. We are all working for the same thing. Polite, knowing nod among wizards as they recognize their shared mission.

Xilianxz

Wanted to charge some water, eggs and milk today, however forgot to bring the eggs and didn't realize that the distilled water was at home instead of in my trunk. So I 50x charged about 500ml of raw milk with my usual setup (except for the copper sheet now being wrapped).
So far I have put about two tablespoons of milk on my hand and rubbed it around my hands and lower arms. The effect was a usual relaxing wave going through my body like 'Oh yeah this is good', very much like normal charged water. My hands are smooth, but stickier and a bit drier, which is probably the sugar and protein I assume. It did get absorbed by my skin extremely quickly, within less than 30 seconds my hands felt entirely dry. I'm feeling tempted to spread it on my face next and maybe swish it in my mouth or even drink some of it.

Z

Xilianxz What is that that the beaker is sitting atop, cardboard..covered in plastic? Why?

Xilianxz

Z Its a copper sheet wrapped in plastic wrap. The plastic wrap acts as a moisture barrier. if there was, for example, a path of moisture on the glass all the way from the water I'm trying to charge down to the copper sheet, the charge could just travel trough it right back into the ground, so it's a way to increase the chances of a sucessfull charge.

Xilianxz

I'm going to post more tomorrow about my experience wit charged milk because I'm going to sleep now. For now I'm just going to say that it's really really good

alex1

Did anyone else order their BDD electrode off Amazon? They all say silicon/niobium based. Doesn’t specify which. I ordered one and It’s coming soon, I hope it’s okay

Ædmin'golo

alex1 silicon/niobium based. Doesn’t specify which

Niobium is unlikely to react chemically so avoid mechanical damage and you're good regardless. Crocodile clips with stainless teeth is something you can get away with, but it's better to clamp a wire against it probably.

alex1

Ædmin'golo so niobium can still work to produce formate?

If it turns out to be silicon is that more forgiving with the alligator clips?

Ædmin'golo

alex1 so niobium can still work to produce formate?

If it turns out to be silicon is that more forgiving with the alligator clips?

The actual BDD is a thin film attached to a plate (they usually say substrate) of either niobium or silicone. Only the BDD is electrically active.

Both Niobium and Silicone (silicon is a plastic unrelated to the element Si) are very inert and stable, but silicone is preferable biologically so if anyone has the choice, that's better, but it's no big deal.

alex1

Ædmin'golo okay thank you

It just got delivered and it looks to be in two pieces not properly stuck together. Is this normal?

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